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Pony POV: Friendship is Oppression

Part 1: The Beginning of Tyranny
By Jawmax

“Alright ladies, let’s show him what friendship can do!” I shouted as she and her friends got ready to use the elements of harmony.

“Wait, wait, wait!” Pinkie said as she got one last drink of chocolate rain.
As the elements began to activate Discord said. “What’s this?” As he was hit by the rainbow Discord laughed. “You think that this is over? I’ll break out again; it’s only a matter of time!”

“What do you mean?” I asked.

“Why that it only took some kids arguing for me to break out, after Celestia and Luna lost their connection to the elements. All I have to do is to wait for something to happen to one of you, like dying of old age being the best case scenario for you, then one little unharmonious thing will happen and this will happen all over again. Harmony is such a fragile, temporary state.  Hahahahahaah!“

All I could think about were Discords last words and the ponies that were hurt or killed for his amusement. The ponies that killed when they were not in their right minds feeling guilt for the rest of there lives. The Ponies left homeless when his sky quake levelled Manehattan. The settler ponies and the buffalo who had also lost their homes and sacred ground to Discords flood and so much more that was even worse. We were supposed to be living in a land of harmony but not all ponies; all creatures are living in harmony. We have all seen what chaos Discord has wrought. We all became the very opposite of our elements and almost failed. There is only one thing I can say. “You’re wrong Discord; on my life you will never be free again. I will bring total harmony to this world.”

***

There were of course celebrations, praise, and parades in our honor a few weeks after the events, but they have nothing to cheer about, not really. Confidence in the princesses has been shaken - many are openly wondering what other dangers Celestia has left ferreted away in poorly-secured areas. Ferry companies are filing for bankruptcy protection: After Discord felt the Manehattan air-ships should all have been made of air, they all had to pay out large insurance sums to the victims relatives as well as replace their ships and deal with the loss in passenger confidence. Only the ferries going out of the country seem to be doing well thanks to almost half a million heading to other nations either forever or just to get away. Suicide rates have skyrocketed. There have been riots in Los Pegasus and Clydesdale. There have been actual cases of Equinicide for the first time in centuries, committed not by any Discord victims but by those cracking under the stresses and fear that's taken over.


Outside of Equestria, even though Discord's chaos barely went a few hundred miles away from Canterlot other than his flooding of the deserts, it seems chaos is taking hold. Deepening problems in the Arabrayian Pennisula, Equrope and Meridia holding the attention of other major powers and at the stage of "when", not "if" for the prospect of war in some cases. There have been attacks on Equestrian Peacekeepers and Embassies. The violent coup in the Buffalo Lands the very day of the ceremony honoring us stretched the military even further.


Between rebuilding, trying to reinforce peacekeepers, trying to keep the borders secure, and the soldiers Discord managed to affect directly the guard is at breaking point. To think we thought that the few he had reached meant we'd been lucky and we may have had the numbers to cope. Now for every one he directly affected invalidated with PTSD, there are two more either from the stresses of disaster relief efforts, the stresses of attacks on them, or the general strain from the burdens placed upon them. The brief respite we'd had at first with the help of the Columbians is gone: with rescue efforts over, even if the nobility and parliament had been able to swallow their pride further to ask them to stay the commitments of our Griffin allies mean they have to send those forces to the other troublespots. We're on our own to fix ourselves.


The attack on Cadence's diplomatic party and the war in Costa Luna was not helping the confidence and harmony of Equestria. Our soldiers were coming home in coffins. Costa Luna, despite our aid against the invaders, had been one of the first to be part of the so-called Cadenza Movement - nations outside Equestria dropping her aunts as head of state and declaring her the sole princess, almost entirely against her misgivings. Hooves were pointed at the Princesses. Celestia had been disappointed but had apparently encouraged Cadence to agree to these changes simply to try and pacify the problems abroad only to make her own at home.


Some nobles begin to try and raise their own private armies and miltias, claiming the government and the military were not responding to their local problems fast enough. STARS units are accused of heavy-hoofedness when a fire during an arrest raid on a noble-backed militia kills a dozen ponies, three of them foals. There are claims that foreign private contractors have been hired on both sides.


There are daily rumors that some distant part of the nation has undergone full rebellion. Stalliongrad has become a Socialist haven. The Emerald Isle has declared itself a Cadenzan Monarchy. Caledonia has seceded. Treacle Mine Road in Ankh-Morpork has declared itself a republic. Even worse, the fact the last one was actually true went unnoticed for a week.

All of this taking place made us more and more convinced. First we had to fix Equestria before we could ever truly bring harmony to the world...

We all have a few moments alone before the audience with Celestia. If we are going to try  get the elements back and start to change things we need to act now. “Okay girls, we don’t have a lot of time. I’m sure you all are worried about what Discord said and what's been going on but I have a plan.”

“Well that is a heap of worry off mah shoulders. I have to tell ya'll my Aunt and Uncle Orange lost everything to what Discord did. If we can keep him from doin that to anypony else I'm all for it!” Applejack said.

“I knew it, Twilight always has a plan!” Rainbow Dash exclaimed.

Pinkie Pie was excited. “What’s the plan? What’s the plan?”

I take a breath and speak. “Well if not all ponies in Equestria is in harmony with everypony else then we have to make them be in harmony! Total harmony!”

“But Twilight how can we make the ponies get along?” Rarity asked.

“With the elements of harmony! Just like we did with Princess Luna! We can take all the bad parts out of ponies and they would live in harmony each other! No more lies! No more anger and despair! No more greed! No more cruelty! No betrayal! No more chaos forever!”

“But Twilight, how can we use the elements if Princess Celestia is going to lock them up again?” Fluttershy asked.

“I already have a plan. But right now I need you all to know that I already begun research into how we can use the elements for what we intend to do but one thing that is out is that we each dedicate wholly to our own element. If we become only one part of ourselves completely then we would become Nightmares like Luna did when she was consumed with her jealousy! The way we need to do this we go in this together with total harmony as a whole cause. Most ponies probably won’t understand what we are trying to do for them right away and they might not like it. So this is your last chance to back out and we’ll never speak of this again. But once you’re in you are in till the end.”

“I’m with you Twilight! I will never betray you guys again!” Rainbow Dash said holding out her hoof.

“I’m telling the truth when Ah say Ah am with you Twilight.” Applejack put her hoof on Rainbow’s.

“How can I call myself generous if I refuse to help?” Rarity put her hoof in.

“It would be cruel if we didn’t try.” Fluttershy joined in.

“Let’s give smiles to everypony!” Pinkie Pie was in.

“Then let this be the beginning of an era of the greatest magic there is, the magic of friendship!” I placed my hoof on top.

“To total harmony!” We all vowed with our hooves going into the air. With that our pact was sealed.

In Canterlot tower Princess Celestia was asking us to make appearances in some of the hardest hit places and forward areas to raise hope and moral. “You are all inspiration to your fellow ponies and with you going with the ESO, you will show them all that through the magic of friendship there is nothing we cannot overcome.”

“Um, Princess Celestia, forgive me so saying this but I think we do more then just give speeches and entertain the troops. We can help secure our land but we need to elements to do it.” I said.

“Twilight, Discord is defeated. What could we need the elements for?”

“Princess, We are vulnerable to any force outside our land and these new rebel factions should they decide to take advantage of the situation. At a time like this we cannot afford to be one hour away from the elements by flight, two hours by express train if we need to act quickly. If we keep the elements with us then all you need to do is send me a letter to get us to where we need to be mobilized. At the very least it would put your subjects’ minds at ease until our forces are back to one hundred percent.” This was it, if Princess Celestia says no than our plans end here before they can really begin. She was really giving it some serious thought.

“Very well Twilight Sparkle, You may keep the elements for now but please be careful with them; they are the most powerful magic we have.”

“Don’t worry Princess; we will be responsible with them.” I reassured her. I don’t see why she would be so worried. She will be so pleased with us when we show her what we will be able to do for this world, and it’s not like the elements of harmony can be used for evil right?

***

A few days later Fluttershy came to the Library with a very worried look on her face that morning. “Twilight it’s awful! Last night as I came home I heard a voice but there was nopony there. Then I looked in the mirror there was the me I was when Discord changed me! She is still alive inside me!”

“I thought something felt different when I was doing the memory spell on you. Spike, go get the girls over her right away!”

“Right!” Spike said as he ran out the door. He didn’t know what we were planning he just dismissed all the materials I asked for as part of my studies. I wish he would ask sometimes but at least I know he is going understand what we are trying to do.

After he left I turned to Fluttershy and said. “Don’t worry Fluttershy we’ll find a way to destroy this thing!”

“No, Twilight! I realized that she just a filly, only a few days old really, who had a bad father and doesn’t know any better!”

Then her face seemed to change an angry scowl. “Quit calling me that!”

I was shocked. “Don’t worry Twilight; I can keep her in check for now. But she knows all about our plans and she said she would do everything she can to stop us.”

Her face changed again. “Yeah, turn the whole world into goody-goody doormats? No thank you.”

“Not a problem Fluttershy. I found something while doing research for our plan and while it’s not what we need it should do exactly what I think you want it to.” I then whisper what the spell would do to Fluttershy.

“Oh, Twilight that would be perfect!” Fluttershy beamed.

After the rest of the girls arrived we briefed them on what was going on and what we were going to do. “Are you sure you want to do it like this Fluttershy? It would be a whole lot easier just to get rid of her.” Rainbow Dash said.

“This is want I want to do Rainbow Dash.” Fluttershy said.

“All right let’s begin.” I said. We all began to channel the power of the elements. The rainbow surrounded Fluttershy.

“No! You can’t do this to me! I won’t let you!” The thing Discord made yelled. She tried to act tough but we could tell she was scared.

“Now none of that young lady, this is for your own good.” Fluttershy said.

A light, another soul came out of Fluttershy. “No! No! Waaaaaaah!” Flesh formed around the soul and on the floor of the library was a crying new born baby filly with a darker coat and mane than Fluttershy.

I smiled “Her memories have been wiped clean. She is a pure innocent foal. Congratulations Fluttershy, you’re a mother.”
Fluttershy picked up the baby. “You told me your name was Fluttercruel but that’s not a name for such a sweet little filly, from now on I am going to call you Flutternice, for what I will raise you to be. You were a foal in a body too big for you but now you can grow up like a proper filly.” Flutternice continued to cry. “Don’t worry, mommy is here. Mommy loves you.” Fluttershy then sang her hush now, quite now song.

“Well that’s one problem solved but now I better research a mind scanning spell in case Discord left any other surprises in us.

“I do hope you don’t find anything Twilight. Otherwise we might all be single mothers soon.” Rarity said.

***

After I got the mind scanning spell ready and taught it to Rarity to use it on me I began search each of our minds for more of Discords taint. While there was nothing like Fluttercruel in me, Applejack, or Rarity I did find that Pinkie Pie was dividing herself and Rainbow Dash was hiding the truth of what happened to her. I convinced all the parts of Pinkie to come together and after Pinkie told Rainbow Dash a story about a donkey and two piles of hay I knew that we were ready to continue with our noble work. Fluttershy finalized her adoption of Flutternice. All the ponies at the department of child services needed to know was that the baby was found by us abandoned, which is what Discord did to her. We all kept our plans to ourselves as life in Ponyville gradually returned to normal. After months of study we were ready to experiment, the only thing we needed were ponies and other creatures that were far from model citizens. We had a short list; Trixie, Gilda, Blue Blood, Jet Set, Upper Crust, and the Flim Flam brothers. I asked Princess Celestia for help with an experiment. When she asked what kind of experiment it was I told that it was a magic sociology experiment that would benefit the whole world. Unfortunately Gilda was nowhere to be found but we got the rest. However when Trixie was brought into Canterlot hospital we were all in for a surprise, she was touched by Discord like we were. She would be the first subject we would test on, if it worked not only will she be free from Discords taint but she would be a better pony too. The result was very disappointing, as far as we can tell her coat has been restored but she still acts the same. When I tried the mind scanning something pushed me away. “No! Stay away! You’ll only get hurt!” When I tried again it was like there was a wall keeping her in and the world out.

Without anything else we could do we next turned our attention to Blueblood. “What are you going to do to me?” Blueblood asked us.

“Well if this works then we will get rid of all that rudeness and vanity and make you a perfectly charming prince. You and I might get married after all!” Rarity said.

We used the elements again and he was pushing us back while standing on the tips of his hooves. “Careful, careful! We mustn’t crush any poor dust mites!”

Next was the Flim Flam brothers. “Here brother have my hat.” Flim said.

“Oh, I can’t! Have my hat dear brother!” Flam said.

Upper Crust couldn’t stop laughing with the oversized grin on her face.

When we finally got to Jet Set he became a happy, pleasant pony. We had the hospital take care of the others. I promise you all I will not forget your sacrifice.

***

After that I spent weeks figuring out what went wrong. Jet Set visited his wife every day. I went over every little detail of the spell trying to find the tiniest mistake and I found two. First was the fact that we did not need to use one big spell for everything when one time offenses can be overcome by simple restrictive Geass'. The second problem was I was the one focusing on all the elements like I did with Nightmare Moon and Discord when the cleansing spell needs each barer to focus on each of their own element. It would still only work like it did with Discord and seal the target in a statue if they were completely resistant to total harmony but for most they would be happy, well-adjusted creatures with no disharmonious thoughts and feelings. They would be completely harmonized. However with the matter of Trixie and the others I am afraid that we cannot help them without undoing their reharmonization. If we found a way to do that then somepony could use it to undo the new world we are going to make! Discord could break free! No, as much as it pains me to say this but Trixie’s and the others condition is a small price for a world free of chaos and evil and I will be sure to let them know every day that their sacrifice is appreciated. If they could understand what was going on they would agree. Now that we know how to make the spell work we still needed a pony to reharmonize to show what we can do. And we found him in the form of a stallion named Cracker. He was named for the food but most would think it was a nickname for him being the most notorious safe cracker in Equestria. He has just recently been arrested now we can show the world what we can do.

It was a bigger success than I imagined! After we used the spell on him Cracker renounced his criminal ways and vowed to be a model citizen! The nobles were so impressed that they want us to use the cleansing spell to reharmonize every criminal in the Equestria justice system saying it would save the tax payers and the government a lot of money. I heard some ponies in the crowd say that we were the hope for the future of Equestria. But why does Princess Celestia look concerned?

***

The next day we were all called to Canterlot. Fluttershy left Flutternice with the Cakes so she could play with Pound and Pumpkin while we are gone. When we arrived Princess Celestia and Luna both have disapproving looks on their faces. “Twilight Sparkle!” Celestia said in the royal Canterlot voice. “You used your cleansing spell on ponies who committed no crime to warrant such a thing all for the sake of perfecting it!”

Luna then spoke. “Thou thought that we did not know? Thou thought we would not find out?”

“But Princess we are going to make the world free from chaos! A world forever free from Discord’s evil!” I pleaded.

Celestia was shocked. “At what cost?! You are changing who they are! Forcing them to feel what you want them to feel! Girls you cannot control everything! Now it is time you gave back the elements.”

'Why can’t they understand?' I thought. I thought. Then I said. “Why? Why can’t we control everything?”

“Well for one thing you are our subjects.” Luna said.

“Yeah about that…” Rainbow Dash said.

“We have all been giving that a lot of thought.” Rarity followed

“And we all came to the same conclusion.” Fluttershy added.

“That is that the two of you alone honestly just ain’t the best mares for the job.” Applejack continued.

“We hope you understand. You did your best.” Pinkie said.

“What?” Celestia and Luna both said.

I began to explain. “If what happened between the two of you is any indication if you get into a major disagreement it could plunge our land into civil war and that’s not including the possibility that one or both of you could become nightmares again. And if you look at your rule over the last thousand years while pony kind has advanced technologically and culturally, crime rates have risen steadily, social problems abound, and you let the Everfree Forest and the monsters that call it home remain!”

“Yeah, you should have burned that place down a long time ago!” Rainbow Dash interrupted.

I continued. “So right now you have a choice to make, help us bring about a state of total harmony, or we will have to take over and do it ourselves.”

“And how do you intend to do that?” Celestia asked.

“Well we do have the elements don’t we?”

“You wouldn’t use them against the two of us.” Luna said.

“Not if you join us.”

“Twilight I am sorry but what you propose is just not something we can support.” Celestia said sadly.

“Princess please; don’t make me do this.” I pleaded. At that moment the royal sisters unleashed their magic on us but we used the elements against them. As they turned into gold and silver statues a single tear fell from Celestia  and splashed against her golden hooves. You will understand someday and then you will thank us for making such a wonderful world.

***

It was not long after that when the rest of Equestria came under our care. Most of the armed forces are either at home recovering from what Discord did to them or busy with running the refugee camps,  pushing back hostile forces, and rebuilding efforts. With all the forces divided and in disarray after the Day of Discord we quickly get the armed forces under our control in little over a week. Three days after of we took over the military, work on the magic clock to tap Celestia and Luna’s magic was complete we finally begun the next night (As much as it pained me to, I did come up with the plans for the clock in preparation for our confrontation with the princesses) and we proclaimed ourselves the Queens of Harmony and of our individual elements.

(Interviewer Notes (Pegasus): Why do you call yourselves queens?  Feel guilty about what you did?)

I did what had to be done for the world and the title of queen is more mature and commands more respect. Ponies need to take what we have to say seriously and if Celestia took the same title maybe ponies would have be less inclined to take shots at her in the tabloids. I am glad we shut all of those down.

“You can’t rightly call it news if you make stuff up half the time and twist the truth around the other half!” Applejack once said to a tabloid editor.

“And most of what you write here isn’t very nice and if you don’t have anything nice to say than you shouldn't say anything at all! Sorry if that sounded harsh.” Fluttershy added.

As things began to fall into place we rewarded those close to us. Pinkie made the Cakes the official royal bakers who in addition to making all the wonderful treats in the castle they are in charge of making Pinkie’s signature happy sauce. Production is at four thousand gallons a day.

It’s good to have them and the twins here because Fluttershy was so worried when she began to put Flutternice in the castle daycare, but having her daughter’s two favorite playmates helped ease her enough that she'd do her job and spend her free time with her little filly. It must be so hard for her to be a single working parent.

Applejack hired about two dozen new farm hands for Sweet Apple acres so that she wouldn’t worry about the farm as queen. And she convinced Granny Smith and Big Macintosh that Apple Bloom should move into the castle with us and work as a part time assistant while she attends our new school for wonderful ponies.

Applejack was giving Apple Bloom a tour of her new school. “You’ll really like it Apple Bloom, Twilight put all the best books in the school library, and the uniforms make it so nopony can tell if ya have a cutie mark or not so there should be no teasin'. And don’t you worry about Diamond Tiara we’re getting her fixed right up. Yep soon teasing and bullies will just be a story to tell your grandfoals about.”

“Yeah… that…that sounds great Applejack.” Apple Bloom said.

Rarity opened our reeducation centers to help ponies be more harmonious and personally welcomed two of the first students. “Rarity, what we doing here?” her mother asked.

“Mother, Father, I hate to say this but the two of you are often selfish, leaving Sweetie Belle in my care while you leave  for weeks at a time, and you have no concept of beauty. So I brought you here to cure you of that.”

Rarity’s parents were in shock. “What you can’t do that!” Mr. Belle yelled.

“What about Sweetie Belle? Who is going to take care of her if we’re stuck in here?” Mrs. Bell asked.

“Why I will of course, like I always have. As Queen of Generosity I have the authority to place Sweetie in the care of her closest relative while you undergo rehabilitation, which happens to be me. Oh, don’t look so sad; think of it as a vacation! And it’s not like you’ll never see her again, there are visiting hours every day and when you get out you’ll be beautiful and generous parents Sweetie Belle will be proud of. And you will be so proud of her, helping her big sister bringing total harmony to the world. Now these fine stallions will escort you to your room and then you have your first class! You wouldn’t want to be late for that.” Two large guards grabbed Rarity’s parents and took them away. Sweetie Belle came out from behind a potted plant.

“Rarity, are…are you sure this is the right thing?” she asked.

Rarity smiled. “Don’t you worry, it’s for their own good as well as ours. And now you get to share a room with Apple Bloom! Won’t that be fun?”

“I guess so.”

I wasn’t worried about splitting up the Cutie Mark Crusaders and I was right. As soon as Scootaloo heard that Sweetie Bell and Apple Bloom were going to assist us part time she asked Rainbow Dash if she could do the same.

The response that Rainbow gave the filly was. “Yeah, sure whatever kid.” Of course we then found out that Scootaloo was living out of the crusader club house because circumstances made it so that her parents were unable to care for her themselves and they said it was an honor that their daughter was going to work for one of their new queens.

And of course Spike is still my number one assistant. And with Pinkie Pie agreeing to babysit for the Cakes despite her title I have high hopes for the next generation as they will probably one day take over our duties of maintaining harmony all over the world.

(Interviewer Notes (Unicorn): So you do not plain on finding a way to become alicorns?)

Of course not! In my studies to determine which are the true magics of the world I found records of experiments where a unicorn tried to become an alicorn by trying to copy magic from a pegasus and an earth pony. The unicorn didn’t change at all, the pegasus was badly scarred, and the earth pony was reported to become some kind of zombie! I would never want to try to recreate those kinds of experiments! I have a hard enough time living with what happened with Trixie and the others!

(Interviewer Notes (Earth Pony): Yeah, that does sound kind of scary.)

We don’t need to become alicorns anyway. Through our vigilance and hard work of these past two years we are transforming Equestria into a paradise! Crimes are solved quickly and all criminals are reformed after their crimes. Everypony loves and tolerates each other, no one is judged on what you are or what you like. There are no poor ponies because every pony has all the bits they need. Not a cruel word or violent act is to be found. If you hear something that you take heart in knowing that is absolutely true! Magic is everywhere to make your life safer and easier. And most of all everypony in Equestria is happy and soon everypony in the whole world will be happy. Now doesn’t that sound nice?
Based on AlexWarlorn's POV Series

Twilight and her friends have overthrown the Princesses and now suppress free will in the name of harmony. Apple Bloom and Sweetie Bell go on a journey to find a way to stop the "Queens of Harmony" from taking over the world. Can the six be saved or is the only way to stop them is to end them?

That last at the end about the alicorn experiment was a shout out for the Equestria Divided Series by PoorYorickDA

pooryorickda.deviantart.com/

(Edit) Worked with LZ to fix the story to both of our satisfaction. I think it is now better than ever.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
Now featured on Pinkie Pie's variety show! alexwarlorn.deviantart.com/art…
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jawmax Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
Cool!
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
Thank JMCdavid.
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jmcdavid Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014
You're certain to get this reference.

The Harmony Queens can brainwash other ponies into being their mindless drones.

They can even turn the Princesses into statues (which, ironically enough, is what Discord did to them in the Dark World).

But turning Fluttercruel into Flutternice? They just made The List!!!

Reference aside, they seem to be forgetting that harmony is a pleasing combination of different elements in a whole, and different ponies with different opinions being able to reach an understanding. It is not something painted in a single color, or everyone having the exact same thoughts and opinions. The world they seek to create will quickly become stagnant, and is not a world I would ever want to live in. Because harmony achieved through force is not harmony at all. It's tyranny, no matter how you try to make it seem like anything else.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
Queen Twilight Sparkle, "By that logic, the law isn't the law if it's enforced."
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jmcdavid Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014
Trixie, "By the way, Trixie is sure that Discord is proud of you for not only defeating the Princesses and taking over Equestria, but also for using the exact same method to seal away the Princesses that he would have used!"
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Wheenesss Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014
Did you base this idea off of The Abundance by defender2222? I mean the Harmony Queens thing sounds eerily familar...
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jawmax Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
It is based on a world mentioned in Alexwarlorn's Pony POV series.
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Wheenesss Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
Then did he get it from that? Probably since he makes mentions to a lot of other fics not written by him...
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jawmax Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
He said he based that on the Justice Lords two part episodes of Justice League.
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boogerejean Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014

Dear mercy...



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boogerejean Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014

You know, somewhere, in the collective unconscious of existence, I guess Discord is laughing at what he's caused, even as he sits inside his statue. I imagine somewhere, a resistance movement is forming...


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Let's do the Time Warp again!!!



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KurseofKings Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013
Just so we're clear here the Elements of Chaos will appear here, right?
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jawmax Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013
Yes of course.
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KurseofKings Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013
Will they include Sunset Shimmer, Sweetie Belle, Lightning Dust, and Trixie? And will they be discovered in the opposite order that the Elements of Harmony were discovered in? And will the opposite of the Element of Magic be called power?
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jawmax Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013
I don't want to give spoilers on who the elements are but I will say since the events of Equestria girls are not cannon in Alex Warlorn's POV series so no Sunset Shimmer or Flash Sentry. Also as stated in his Dark World series the Element of Magic is BOTH a Element of Chaos and Harmony.
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KurseofKings Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013
But it would make more sense to make the opposite of magic (which represents friendship) power (which represents loneliness) because loneliness is power! Ask Broadway Sweetie Belle or ezra09! And can't you just change Sunset Shimmer's backstory (what little backstory she had) to make her fit in to the Pony POV Series?
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jawmax Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013
I am trying to be faithful to the world that Alexwarlorn created and talking with him I had already picked who the elements will be. Magic is friendship but it can also be tragedy. Sorry but my mind is made up. But I am including Sunset in another work of mine Equestria Girls: Protectors of Canterlot. Check it out on my page here or FIMfiction.net
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KurseofKings Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2013
"I am trying to be faithful to the world that Alexwarlorn created" Does this mean that you're not going to quantify, or properly make clear who is speaking? Because if you are then I can assure you I'm not going to like this story very much.
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jawmax Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2013
I do make it clear who is speaking. Most of the time I am going to use a third person narrative.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2013
Technically it's spelled Sweetie Belle. 

And that line of Queen Rarity's BTW IS STILL powerful. 
'“Why I will of course, like I always have.' 
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Rounds89 Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
They say there's a will there's a way. Think about what the rest of the guard or even Cadence could do if they catch wind of this. What if there's that chance where Discord or Celestia and Luna learn the ability to cast there spirits into other bodies. Flutternice could have a special ability or maybe even if so hidden knowledge that could have not been wiped from her adorable mind. And even though they are sealed inside statues they can find a way to breakout not physically but mentally. Maybe they have spell where if anypony touches the statue there spirit transmits to them.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013
Except Flutternice is no longer Fluttercruel. She'd never betray her mother (ironically much like how Dark World Fluttercruel would die before turning on her father.)
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Rounds89 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2013
I know she wouldn't. Infact you have a wonderful little foal. I just love how cute she is.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2013
Queen Fluttershy, "Oh my! ... Oh! Um. Thank you! She is wonderful isn't she? I never dreamed I'd be a mother, but . . . I wouldn't want to be without her."  
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Rounds89 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013
Yeah *sniff* just like my daughter....*sniff* *sniff*.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013
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BrutalityInc Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
There are multiple potential weaknesses that could potentially build up in the Tyrant Six's attempt to 'Harmonize' Equestria, which could be exploited by various rebel factions that would inevitably spring up.

Among the few I could think at the top of my head: first, it's obvious that in order to establish an Orwellian police state, the Tyrant Six will have to establish a vast security force in order to monitor the population, stomp down dissent and arrest anypony they deem 'disharmonious'. They would have to take control of the media, army, police, establish Internal State Sec, build re-education/brainwash/concentration camps and spying networks to prevent their regime from being challenged, but these things do not pay for themselves, and would require massive amount of expanses to maintain. They would either need to divert a significant amount of government income, which translates to crippling taxation that could ramp dissent up to eleven, or strong financial supporters which if eliminated could severely hamper monetary support of the state's campaign to root out dissidents.

Secondly, even the Tyrant Six cannot handle the entire government functions by themselves. To run Equestria and implement their totalitarian policies they would have delegate their power and authority to certain underlings they could trust and a system of which they could work in - a vast bureucracy would have to be established. As the priorities and necessities of the state increases so too it would grow, and the bureaucracy will become increasingly cumbersome just to handle it, and in a society where delegates became immune to criticism from the masses by authoritarian policies, this translates to whatever system the Tyrant Six sets up inevitably becoming complex, inefficient and corrupt, making it increasingly difficult for the Harmony Queens to actually implement policies.

Whatever they order would easily get reinterpreted, watered down or even ignored as they go down the layers. The Tyrant Six could try and streamline the process, but it would just build up again, and bureucrats usually hates/ignore changes since innovation could potentially affect their comfortable positions. At worst, the bureaucracy might acquire too much political power (being essentially the ones running the country) that the Harmony Queens might end up the fate of may dictators or emperors throughout history, reduced to figureheads of the country whose will is in reality bound to powerful officials/eunuchs day by day, who games the system to reap massive benefits and power at expanse of the people below AND the authoritarian rulers.

Corruption and inefficiency aside, the Harmony Queens cannot actually fix the problem without running towards other risks; they could select competent/vigorous underlings to implement policy or run the country, but competence does not always translate to loyalty, and anyone who is will pose a threat to their own power: imagine what would happen if a competent, efficient and effective pony ends up running the entire bureucracy that runs Equestria? Or a powerful military leader that ends up running the Royal Guards, State sec and intelligence network?

Even if they are loyal they can't afford to have anypony with such power to be a threat to them, and in removing them they leave less capable underlings in command. Splitting responsibilities even more would make things more inefficient. Think Hitler's Germany, for reference. And even if the Harmony Queens will not fight amongst themselves, what happens when powerful underlings fight each other for power and wealth beneath their rulers' snouts?

And on the competence note, we can't even be sure if the Harmony Queens could actually RUN the country, just because they have the Elements of Harmony, as the skills required to successfully seize power and to actually govern successfully are rarely guaranteed to reside in the same individual/pony.

Sure their Elements could defeat gods, but does it help them understand the politics, economics, diplomatic, etc. stuff that goes around with ruling? Not likely, considering they are all very young adults who lacks the experience - Rainbow Dash for example is a jock who before held only position of the head of a small town's weather team, Fluttershy only knows how to tend to animals (and tailor), Applejack is a small-time farmer, maybe Twilight Sparkle and Rarity knows a thing or two given one is a prodigy and the other is a business mare, but they both lacked the experience. Cue the Peter Principle in action.

To put a real life example, take Mao Zedong - brilliant tactician as an effective freedom fighter, terrible administrator in power that end up killing millions of people by accident. Unless the Tyrant Six pony-up FAST they would make a terrible mess of everything, especially when no one with a bit of sanity or competence dare spoke out against policies that are badly designed, or more often than not bat-guano insane.

At the risk of being punished or 'Harmonized', any underling they appoint will be tempted to sugarcoat bad news and avoid criticizing the dictator's plans or interventions and thus shield them from the truth. And it's not likely dictators like the Harmony Queens would actually want to hear news that their policies are making people desperately unhappy for no good reason (as we have already seen in Alex Warlorn's earlier snapshots). Furthermore, this effect combined with the effect of dictators almost automatically trying to inflict their personal delusions and viewpoints onto the populace leads to cognitive dissonance and ignorance, completely out of touch with reality, with catastrophic results. Think Stalin with the Holodomor and Mao with the Great Leap Forward.

There are other problems but these are the ones I could think of at the moment. In the end, what does that make Harmony Queen's regime? Answer: VULNERABLE, if one knows the right place to nudge. It's actually less Orwell's Oceania from 1984 or the Justice Lords from DCAU and more like North Korea - delusional leaders, bickering underlings, bloated governance, suffering peoples. When they finally collapse, or will collapse, overthrown by the heroes of the story or the other ponies (probably with the help of Anarchy), its legacy would be less like the Roman Empire and more like the Soviet Union's collapse - "Goodbye and Good Riddance!"

Then again, that's assuming Discord would not try escaping during the chaos and ruining everything, only with the Elements not being able to stop him. Either way, in their misguided attempt to save Equestria the Harmony Queens had just made sure that things will not end well for the realm and the ponies.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013
Queen Twilight Sparkle, "THANKS! The first rule of being a leader of course is that you have to have the hearts and minds of the herd on your side. I knew that one already. Your advice is greatly appreciated."
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BrutalityInc Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013
Pony:[Facehoof] "We're SOOO boned."

[How IS she going to pay for all that?]
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jawmax Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
There are multiple potential weaknesses that could potentially build up in the Tyrant Six's attempt to 'Harmonize' Equestria, which could be exploited by various rebel factions that would inevitably spring up.

Among the few I could think at the top of my head: first, it's obvious that in order to establish an Orwellian police state, the Tyrant Six will have to establish a vast security force in order to monitor the population, stomp down dissent and arrest anypony they deem 'disharmonious'. They would have to take control of the media, army, police, establish Internal State Sec, build re-education/brainwash/concentration camps and spying networks to prevent their regime from being challenged, but these things do not pay for themselves, and would require massive amount of expanses to maintain. They would either need to divert a significant amount of government income, which translates to crippling taxation that could ramp dissent up to eleven, or strong financial supporters which if eliminated could severely hamper monetary support of the state's campaign to root out dissidents.

You forgot one thing, Queen Rarity made it so that everypony would have the same amount of bits, a state that is by nature temporary since some gets more than someone else when someone buys things. So I thought that at the end of every month all the money would be collected and redistributed. Twilight would make a spell that would track all the money so at any time they would know where it is. So while even if taxes might be high the thing is no one loses it because they get it back at the end of the month but they would find all a big hassle to deal with.

Secondly, even the Tyrant Six cannot handle the entire government functions by themselves. To run Equestria and implement their totalitarian policies they would have delegate their power and authority to certain underlings they could trust and a system of which they could work in - a vast bureucracy would have to be established. As the priorities and necessities of the state increases so too it would grow, and the bureaucracy will become increasingly cumbersome just to handle it, and in a society where delegates became immune to criticism from the masses by authoritarian policies, this translates to whatever system the Tyrant Six sets up inevitably becoming complex, inefficient and corrupt, making it increasingly difficult for the Harmony Queens to actually implement policies.

I do plan on exploring the inefficacity of their bureaucracy in a later chapter. As for corruption that will be covered next in this reply.

Whatever they order would easily get reinterpreted, watered down or even ignored as they go down the layers. The Tyrant Six could try and streamline the process, but it would just build up again, and bureucrats usually hates/ignore changes since innovation could potentially affect their comfortable positions. At worst, the bureaucracy might acquire too much political power (being essentially the ones running the country) that the Harmony Queens might end up the fate of may dictators or emperors throughout history, reduced to figureheads of the country whose will is in reality bound to powerful officials/eunuchs day by day, who games the system to reap massive benefits and power at expanse of the people below AND the authoritarian rulers.

The Queens make one thing very clear to those bellow them, there is no room for interruption in there orders or policies and any position they give you they explain that you have power this much power and nothing more. Also the monthly redistribution of wealth makes getting a profit for the system impossible impossible. With Rarity's eye for detail she can quickly find any inconsistencies with what is done and what they ordered done. Also Rainbow Dash is responsible for monitoring the loyalty of the subjects under them and the ones that work them are under the highest of almost constant surveillance (They want to respect privacy where such things are best private). Paired with the fact that the element of honesty gives Applejack the power to see through lies and deception no one can hide any plots or schemes they might have from her if her suspicions were raised. Step out of line or go outside the boundaries of authority they give and they would know almost immediately.

Corruption and inefficiency aside, the Harmony Queens cannot actually fix the problem without running towards other risks; they could select competent/vigorous underlings to implement policy or run the country, but competence does not always translate to loyalty, and anyone who is will pose a threat to their own power: imagine what would happen if a competent, efficient and effective pony ends up running the entire bureucracy that runs Equestria? Or a powerful military leader that ends up running the Royal Guards, State sec and intelligence network?

Once again those in the highest of positions are the ones under the most surveillance.

Even if they are loyal they can't afford to have anypony with such power to be a threat to them, and in removing them they leave less capable underlings in command. Splitting responsibilities even more would make things more inefficient. Think Hitler's Germany, for reference. And even if the Harmony Queens will not fight amongst themselves, what happens when powerful underlings fight each other for power and wealth beneath their rulers' snouts?

The reason for the take over was to promote Harmony, and MAKE everyone get along. As I said earlier power and money are strictly monitored and regulated. Even if it a fight over the smallest silver of authority or if the followers of the Queens just don't like each other the six (especially Futtershy)is against unnecessary verbal or physical violence and in cases like this they replace such followers at best or Harmonize them at worst.

And on the competence note, we can't even be sure if the Harmony Queens could actually RUN the country, just because they have the Elements of Harmony, as the skills required to successfully seize power and to actually govern successfully are rarely guaranteed to reside in the same individual/pony.

Sure their Elements could defeat gods, but does it help them understand the politics, economics, diplomatic, etc. stuff that goes around with ruling? Not likely, considering they are all very young adults who lacks the experience - Rainbow Dash for example is a jock who before held only position of the head of a small town's weather team, Fluttershy only knows how to tend to animals (and tailor), Applejack is a small-time farmer, maybe Twilight Sparkle and Rarity knows a thing or two given one is a prodigy and the other is a business mare, but they both lacked the experience. Cue the Peter Principle in action.

To put a real life example, take Mao Zedong - brilliant tactician as an effective freedom fighter, terrible administrator in power that end up killing millions of people by accident. Unless the Tyrant Six pony-up FAST they would make a terrible mess of everything, especially when no one with a bit of sanity or competence dare spoke out against policies that are badly designed, or more often than not bat-guano insane.

At this point they have taken over, and we have already been shown they are running things in Equestria in that world. They have their laws enforced and have been seen leading troops in battle against Nightmare Polyphony's forces. Yes much of it is on the job training but Twilight is their leader and if anything she is a quick study. They are in control and holding their kingdom together how they want it.



At the risk of being punished or 'Harmonized', any underling they appoint will be tempted to sugarcoat bad news and avoid criticizing the dictator's plans or interventions and thus shield them from the truth. And it's not likely dictators like the Harmony Queens would actually want to hear news that their policies are making people desperately unhappy for no good reason (as we have already seen in Alex Warlorn's earlier snapshots). Furthermore, this effect combined with the effect of dictators almost automatically trying to inflict their personal delusions and viewpoints onto the populace leads to cognitive dissonance and ignorance, completely out of touch with reality, with catastrophic results. Think Stalin with the Holodomor and Mao with the Great Leap Forward.

Again one of the things they are trying to make is that everyone would be honest and no can get away with even little white lies with Applejack, yes they would know that many of their subjects are unhappy with how things are. But they want to MAKE them be happy with how they do things.

There are other problems but these are the ones I could think of at the moment. In the end, what does that make Harmony Queen's regime? Answer: VULNERABLE, if one knows the right place to nudge. It's actually less Orwell's Oceania from 1984 or the Justice Lords from DCAU and more like North Korea - delusional leaders, bickering underlings, bloated governance, suffering peoples. When they finally collapse, or will collapse, overthrown by the heroes of the story or the other ponies (probably with the help of Anarchy), its legacy would be less like the Roman Empire and more like the Soviet Union's collapse - "Goodbye and Good Riddance!"

Then again, that's assuming Discord would not try escaping during the chaos and ruining everything, only with the Elements not being able to stop him. Either way, in their misguided attempt to save Equestria the Harmony Queens had just made sure that things will not end well for the realm and the ponies.

Even if you take away all the things I have said earlier keep in mind most of the ponies of Equestria haven't needed to even think about toppling a tyrant in at least a thousand years and they DON'T know where to nudge. Yes it will be the heroes of may stories job to put a stop the Queen six's plans but it NOT be easy. It would be a "Good bye and good riddance" but as for Discord well...you just have to reead the rest when it comes out and find out.
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BrutalityInc Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
The Ponies from the peasants to the Royal Guards to the ruling nobility are not just going to bow down to the Mane Six, especially when they had effectively toppled their living goddesses.

Their respective Elements may help them rule, but they can't be everywhere at once. Can you imagine Applejack Element of Honesty personally scanning every paper-pusher in the government (in the hundred thousands)? Or Rainbow Dash scanning every Royal Guard personally for loyalty (again, in the hundred thousands)? They can survey a few but they can't survey everyone. They will have to depend on their underlings to do that which leaves plenty of room for error, abuse of power or manipulation which as I stressed they can't always keep track of. They are probably better off to trust that their underlings would do their jobs properly and hope for the best. As expected, they will have to choose ponies based on loyalty to their cause and harmony rather then efficiency and effectiveness, which while preventing infighting would further hampering their ability to enforce their rule.

And redistributing money at the end of every month is insanely impractical. As in, Bat-guano insanely difficult. How in Equestria are they going to get all those money in one place to count them all? Epic Teleport? It's going to be a massive bureucratic nightmare even if they could track down every bit. And reorganizing the monetary system itself like that would instantly crash the Equestrian economy and plunge it into a meltdown that would make the Great Depression look like nothing in comparison, and what about foreign trade? How many companies in Equestria would relocate to other places just to run from such epic government regulation and leave employment and the economy in the sinkhole? How many foreign powers would see their investments in Equestria in jeapordy and immediately intervene?

And how can they keep track of anyone in the population (potentially in the hundreds of millions) that is thinking dissenting/disharmonious thoughts? They can't monitor everyone. Only the gods in the series could and all three that had been active are now stone. No police state in fiction or real life had ever been successful in doing that, not even Oceania from 1984. And what prevents the ponies from just running to the borders to get away, even temporarily? You can't patrol the borders all the time, so what are they going to do? Magic-field over the entire nation?

Ultimately it's not really your fault. The whole idea of the Mane Six came to power and rule in the whole 'Harmony-Queen-verse' really stretched the suspension of disbelief to the limit. And we run the risk of mary-sue-dystopia if we justify all the blatantly insane or ridiculous policies the Tyrants Six implements and making them actually work. Let's see how you make it go, then.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013
You're right about Dystopia is Hard trope.

But the Harmony Queens however do have one thing on their side. They ARE raising the standard of living for the average pony. They HAVE caused the crime rate to drop like a stone. They HAVE terminated poverty. And after debugging it on their first victims, their reharmonized ponies are not zombies but rather now fit perfectly into harmony.

And whose to say how much of the original system they kept in place since they felt no need to change it.

Basically, this ISN'T something that's just going to collapse under it's own weight.

Twilight, "And I have studied all those systems and their falls."
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BrutalityInc Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013
A crap-saccharine 'utopia' without end is not something I really want to look forward to. It's like the world from the Elseworld title "Superman: Red Son" - No poverty, no crime, no unhappiness, and no choice.

All systems WILL fall. It's just a matter of finding the right place to push the dominoes. I suppose in the next chapters the CMC will get right to it.
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jawmax Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
Thanks for saying so. I am a big fan of the show Sliders and while for some worlds there were simple explanations of why things were that in current world other are more 'it just is'. The 'Harmony-Queen-verse' is best done as the later.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013
Since it isn't the point of the story.
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BrutalityInc Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
Sure, I would wait.
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Rounds89 Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
Let's hope the Harmony Queens don't go Nightmare or go Nightmare in an unaware way.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
THem going Nightmare is the one thing the world doesn't have to worry about. Which means they aren't going to crippled by in fighting or insanity.
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Rounds89 Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
Yeah but it's the thought that how could they run the country if it's so easy to cripple the elements?
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ItsfromPeople Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
Well done, the changes are a huge improvement and really show what kind of impact Discord left behind and how much this misery convinced others that they NEEDED the Harmony Queens right now.
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jawmax Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
Thank you.
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Toonwatcher Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Man, the Queen 6 is scary.
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alexwarlorn Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
Or they could play it up as Luna and Celestia statuification being a noble and selfless sacrifice on their part to insure they never go nightmare and endanger the day and the night.
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jawmax Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
I am jus going to say that in the time of her research Twilight discovered the individual powers of the elements and the guards could not over power them.
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LZ0291 Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Nope, doesn't work for me. Too fast, too godmoddy, too reliant on other characters remaining entirely unsuspecting.
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ItsfromPeople Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
Thinking about it, they would actually not have to reveal the true condition of the Princesses at all. They could have just hidden the statues under illusions (the only downside is that this goes against AJ's Element but they seem to be able to compromise for the sake of their friends) and claimed that Celestia and Luna had to leave to seal Discord forever/prevent a greater crisis.

Then they could claim to be the legitimate successors of the Princesses.
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jawmax Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
I am jus going to say that in the time of her research Twilight discovered the individual powers of the elements and the guards could not over power them.
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ItsfromPeople Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
I just wanted to add that there would have been options to overcome the army without a battle but I like the addition where Discord unintentionally had aided them by breaking so many members of the military. Now he is partly responsible for creation a world of perfect and cold harmonic order.
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jawmax Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
LZ and I are now working together to rewrite this piece to both our satisfaction and with How it is going I think it is going to be better than ever!
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